Fight Commentary Breakdowns (Rob Watt: 10+ years MMA training and Jerry Liu: journalist/comedian, 8+ years Kung Fu study, sporadic training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu):

We finally had time to look at and commentate over a very often-request match from the vintage days. We don’t know what decade this match occurred, but it is interesting to study. What we have is a ring match that seems to be under amateur rules (no elbows). There’s a smaller Wing Chun fighter vs a lankier Muay Thai fighter. Let’s see what both sides do right and wrong. Also, there’s zero debate as to the styles of the two fighters like is so much debated in the Qi La La videos. Leave your comments below. Look forward to your thoughts!

Jerry:

“Fight Commentary Breakdowns Jerry and Rob.”

Rob Watt:

“Hey!”

Jerry:

“And today we got a Wing Chun versus Muay Thai match, umh…”

Rob Watt:

“Alright. It looks like it’s recorded in the 80’s or 90’s.”

Jerry:

“80’s or 90’s. Yeah it’s got that kind of that feel. Umh…”

Rob Watt:

“Wow! These guys are…”

Jerry:

“Yeah, it’s a scrappy fight.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah, it really is. It’s interesting to see the Wing Chun guy just come right down the centre, but he’s also employing the Muay Thai Plum, which is really interesting.”

Jerry:

“It’s interesting. I guess there is no sound. I keep getting thrown off at the fact that there is no sound on this button.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah, it’s an old…”

Jerry:

“Wow! The Wing Chun guy. Look at the pressure.”

Rob Watt:

“The Wing Chun guy is standing directly in front of him and just going directly down the centre line.”

Jerry:

“Yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“It’s like there’s absolutely no hooks, no nothing, it’s just strict punches from the centre.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Wow! I think the Muay Thai guy should learn by throwing hooks, throw hooks and overhands.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah, I mean. If someone stood in the centre like this, all I gotta do is circle off.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“But I think what he’s doing is just letting this guy punch himself out.”

Jerry:

“Oh, makes sense.”

Rob Watt:

“I mean you can only do that for so long.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. And then you just get just really tired.”

Rob Watt:

“I mean…that kick…absorbing that…sucks too.”

Jerry:

“Yeah that hurts.”

Rob Watt:

“I’m really impressed by the Wing Chun guy’s, uh, knees from the clench. Although he’s not going temple to temple.”

Jerry:

“Ah.”

Rob Watt:

“So, he’s really susceptible to getting punched in the chin.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Makes sense. Like that.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah. As soon as he clenches up you know he needs to go temple to temple. Otherwise, he’s going to get lit up.”

Jerry:

“He also has a smaller reach, I noticed. So…”

Rob Watt:

“His shots are very like peppering shots.”

Jerry:

“Yeah, peppering, exactly.”

Rob Watt:

“There’s no full power which might preserve his energy, but I think he might be getting tired too.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. You already see him slow down a little bit.”

Rob Watt:

“I mean this Muay Thai guy is taking quite a few hits to the bone.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. But you know…”

Rob Watt:

“And he’s still…he’s like he’s not really…ah, yeah. There he goes…”

Jerry:

“There is the overhand. Like that. Uh!”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah. Throwing to the body…yeah you can see him pushing him away…trying to keep his distance. Yeah…this is where the tide turns. Taking him off balance then kneeing him. Muay Thai guy does not know how to circle off. Unfortunately. But I think that, uhm, you know if he had a little bit more experience circling off, it would be doing pretty well. But then maybe again the guy wouldn’t punch himself out, so…”

Jerry:

“Exactly. So, I guess we have to see what happens in Round 2. Is the Muay Thai guy going to be like, ‘One you’re tired and I figured you out let me add in the footwork’…”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah. It’s an old VHS and recorder…awesome.”

Jerry:

“Part of it, when I first saw this, I thought that it was like effect. You can add this effect in Final Cut and Adobe. But maybe it’s just a bad video transfer.”

Rob Watt:

“It’s possible. I think that this might be a…the reason why I would say that it’s probably a OG VHS is…usually when there is an effect they…the digital marker on the bottom there, see that glitch on the bottom, you would see it sort of do the exact same thing over and over and over again. Because it’s on a loop.”

Jerry:

“Ah! It’s on a loop, yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“But it doesn’t appear to be, in my just quick assessment.”

Jerry:

“Ah, okay.”

Rob Watt:

“It doesn’t appear to be the same. I see…alright, here they come, Round 2. Oh, man!”

Jerry:

“Practice guys. Practice your pivot in, your pivot out type of head movement. I notice the Muay Thai guy used that.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah. Finally, Muay Thai guy is taking his head off the centre line, there, for a second. Uh. He got some good advice from his corner. He basically said, ‘Clench up with this guy’ As soon as he comes in, he clenches up…”

Jerry:

“Good. Because if you don’t you are going to get peppered like…look at the peppering… Uh!”

Rob Watt:

“That was a good uppercut.”

Jerry:

“Uppercut. Exactly. Wow!”

Rob Watt:

“This Wing Chun guy is standing right in front of him.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Look at that. Oh!”

Rob Watt:

“Did you see that over hand right?”

Jerry:

“Yeah!”

Rob Watt:

“Man, this Muay Thai guy is taking it right to the donkeys”

Jerry:

“Man! Man!”

Rob Watt:

“He needs to clench as soon as this guy gets close.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Uh, Man!”

Rob Watt:

“Clench, clench, clench.”

Jerry:

“Man, I guess…strong, strong chin, man. Strong neck muscles.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah.”

Jerry:

“Strong upper back. Man! Wow! Oh! Like…”

Rob Watt:

“Like a…finally. Clenched up, good knee.”

Jerry:

“Wow!”

Rob Watt:

“This…and you know this Wing Chun guy has clearly had some…either he’s been watching these Muay Thai fighters, or he’s had a lot of experience training in Muay Thai because he knows how to defend the knees…”

Jerry:

“Yeah exactly.”

Rob Watt:

“You saw him put his legs across the thighs.”

Jerry:

“Aha! And, uhm, he does one thing that we see a lot of Wing Chun people not do, which is his hands are by his chin, this Wing Chun guy. So, his face is usually protected, usually.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah. It’s pretty interesting how he is like so straightforward. We would call this a one-dimensional fight.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very one-dimensional. But it’s like he’s very good at this one-dimension.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah.”

Jerry:

“Man!”

Rob Watt:

“But there it is. There’s the opening. Right there.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. There we go. Boom!”

Rob Watt:

“Because he doesn’t know how to get off the centre line, he’s going to get clocked with his hooks.”

Jerry:

“Yeah, hooks. And it looks like if Muay Thai guy threw more of those roundhouse kicks. Uh!”

Rob Watt:

“Uh! What the heck just happened? I think he landed wrong on his foot or something.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Potentially. Was that it? No…”

Rob Watt:

“Maybe he broke his ankle or something. It looks as though he stepped backward improperly on his foot…”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Wow.”

Rob Watt:

“Look like he’s throwing in the towel?”

Jerry:

“I think so. Man, this, I guess the more I look at this the more I think like you said it is old VHS footage. And the reason is it moves like a tape. Like the modern digital cameras, a lot of the side, kind of turning isn’t as smooth.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah, like the censor, the ‘jello effect’?”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Exactly. So…”

Rob Watt:

“The Wing Chun guy was victorious. I think that this dude landed improperly.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. So, let’s slow it down.”

Rob Watt:

“Let’s take a look here.”

Jerry:

“So, he’s going in linearly, one. And…”

Rob Watt:

“And here he tries to kick. Let’s see. Kick…”

Jerry:

“I think it was a punch…oh no. Not yet.”

Rob Watt:

“They’re still going.”

Jerry:

“Yah they’re still going. He already looks kinda concussed, the Muay Thai guy…”

Rob Watt:

“Right here. There it is.”

Jerry:

“He must have landed wrong.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah. It’s the only thing I could think of.”

Jerry:

“Yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“Cause, I didn’t see a punch land.”

Jerry:

“Yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“He seems to be…”

Jerry:

“So, his hands are out now. Right? I think it was that, that did something. Cause look at him now, his hands are down…”

Rob Watt:

“He’s okay here.”

Jerry:

“He’s out of it.”

Rob Watt:

“You just get, yeah…there’s something that’s just…maybe he’s exhausted.”

Jerry:

“Maybe he’s exhausted.”

Rob Watt:

“But like it seemed as though he just…when he stepped back maybe his ankle twisted or something.”

Jerry:

“Maybe. Yeah. So, I think what’s, what we really learned is if you are fighting a one-dimensional fighter adapt fast.”

Rob Watt:

“Yeah.”

Jerry:

“Throw a lot of hooks, do a lot of footwork. You know, there’s ways to keeping him at bay.”

Rob Watt:

“Oh. Completely.”

Jerry:

“Yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“All you gotta do is you know circle around him.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“Because it clearly, he doesn’t, like if someone is coming directly towards you in a straight line it’s difficult for them to you know to turn on a dime.”

Jerry:

“Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So, especially uhm, you know, he’s got a lot of the kick punch combos, the Wing Chun guy, which is good, but it also, he’s off balance a lot. So, he’s potentially off-balance a lot, that’s what I mean. Huh! So, this is interesting guys, the Wing Chun guy won but, uhm, you know, it says Wing Chun versus Muay Thai. But I, again, there might be some people who are going to say uhm, maybe the guy is not Muay Thai but let’s just say he is Muay Thai. We saw a lot of Muay Thai kind of fighting stances, Muay Thai kind of clenches…”

Rob Watt:

“Oh, yeah. I mean you know this guy is, he’s doing you know Muay Thai here. Traditional Muay Thai, but the Wing Chun guy also implements Muay Thai.”

Jerry:

“Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He implements Muay Thai techniques and uhm, maybe some would argue that potentially some of those Muay Thai techniques that were seen are actually like in Wing Chun too in like good Wing Chun, but…I wonder why the Muay Thai guy didn’t do that more. Like perry him and just, make him fall over on his own momentum.”

Rob Watt:

“That’s really what he should do. And obviously, you can counter with a real strong either lead hook or a power hook. Uhm, while giving out of the way of the straight crosses.”

Jerry:

“I think another thing that might have disadvantaged the Muay Thai guy I noticed; no elbows were thrown. So, there must have been a, ‘No elbow.’ rule. Because if there were elbows, this Wing Chun guy would be eating elbows. He would also be throwing potentially, effective elbows but you’d have to be very careful about blitzing and completely straight if there’s elbows that would cut your face in a second. So, yeah, I noticed that as we watch this again. But anyway, not to take away from the Wing Chun guy, he’s a linear type of, one-dimensional type of fighter but he does it very well. You know.”

Rob Watt:

“I mean, for some reason, this Muay Thai guy allowed him to close the distance every time.”

Jerry:

“Yeah, every time.”

Rob Watt:

“It’s like, all you gotta do is either sweep him or just basically chuck him and be like, ‘Hey, stop doing that. Stop coming in so close.’ Or every single time he comes in close like that, you clench with him…”

Jerry:

“Clench with him, yeah.”

Rob Watt:

“…and you deliver your knees to the sternum or the knees to the head.”

Jerry:

“Yeah, exactly. Wow. So, this was cool men. I know a few viewers sent us this and it took us a while to get to it but man, this was you know that’s the beauty of this channel. We find stuff like this that no one else bothers to find.”

Rob Watt:

“That’s right. That’s right. We go where no one else goes.”

Jerry:

“Where no one has ever gone before. So, guys keep sending us clips. Next month, we are going to get into a lot of matches. We’re going to have more matches. If you guys want to see more of that.”

Rob Watt:

“All day.”

Jerry:

“All day exactly. And, Rob’s been rolling with some boxers too.”

Rob Watt:

“Total killers.”

Jerry:

“Yeah, we’ll show you guys some of that footage soon.”

Rob Watt:

“Jonathan Lipnicki is a killer. He tapped me twice”

Jerry:

“That’s right. Man, we should get…”

Rob Watt:

“Both a really good actor and a really good black belt.”

Jerry:

“We should get Jonathan and…the whole gang.”

Rob Watt:

“Yes, the whole gang. They are doing something called Outlaw Jiujitsu. It’s like just amazing Jiu jitsu matches with a bunch of these actors who are also black belts.”

Jerry:

“So, that will be something to be featured soon.”

Rob Watt:

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